Unanswered Questions from a Scientology Victim

Subject: Unanswered Questions from a Scientology Victim
Answered By: desertphile
Asked By: elrond1@...

elrond1@... asked this question on 4/20/2000:

These questions remain unanswered comprehensively by any Scientologist. Some have answered one or two, but none have substantially addressed this post.

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First: History questions:

Do you understand Co$ members from the Guardians Office were convicted of crimes in the US and Canada?

Do you understand the Co$ itself was Criminally Convicted as a Corporation for the Breach of the Public Trust in Canada?

Do you understand the Co$ was banned recently in Greece for the very same unethical and often illegal practices it did in the 50s, 60, 70, and 80s in Canada, the US and other countries?

Do you understand DEPT 20, the Guardians Office is now called DEPT 20: The Office of Special Affairs?

Do you understand the OSA operates under the same guidelines and has the same objectives as the GO?

Do you understand many of those Co$ members convicted of crimes are still on lines or on staff?

Do you understand Hubbard himself was named as an unindicted co-conspirator to the anti-democratic crimes of his wife and confidant MarySue?

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As an apparent dedicated Scientologist perhaps you might consider answering some basic questions.

Answering these simple questions will go far to dispel the appearance to many the Co$ lacks the fundamental tenets taught by and expected of the religious mainstream:Integrity, Honesty, Compassion and Charity.

Section 1: A Test of Faith. - Honesty

[ A 'Yes' to the following demonstrates an absolute loyalty to Hubbard. This is called unshakeable Faith. Do you have what it takes?]

Do you believe that Hubbard was a Nuclear Physicist based soley on his unsupported assertion? Do you accept thought has weight as Hubbard taught? Do you accept calculus does not work as Hubbard taught? Do you accept radiation is water soluble as Hubbard taught? Do you accept 'there is no Christ' as Hubbard taught? Do you believe in Xenu the Galactic Overlord as Hubbard taught? {OT3} Do you accept there was a 1950s style civilisation on earth 75 million years ago, with a population over 100 billion, as Hubbard taught and yet left absolutely no traces? Do you accept there are implant stations on Mars as Hubbard taught? Do you accept there are locomotives on Venus as Hubbard taught? Do you accept any of the above are scientifically based as Hubbard taught?

Section 2. Substantiation - Integrity

If you do accept any of the above are scientifically based, could you provide the independently verified data which ratifies the above? Could you provide the source scient- ific data from independent peer reviews which verifies the efficacy of *any* Hubbard 'Tech'?

Section 3. The Questions of Charity and Compassion.

Please list for us all the Hospitals, Hospices, Soup Kitchens,Shelters for the abused and homeless, foodbanks, and other charities the Co$ supported with some significant fraction of its financial resources. How many last wishes of terminally ill children did the Co$ facilitate in being realised? Did the Co$ spend as much last year on feeding and clothing starving children in any part of the world as DM spent on having a private golf course built in Hemet? Does the Co$, with its millions,spend *any* significant percentage of its income on public charitable works? Or do they spend greater than 95% on the care, promotion and maintenance of the Product?

Please post the address of the Retirement Home for Co$ members or for the Sea Org.

If you managed to answer the above,even to yourself, then here are some new ones:

If the Co$ is expanding then why has it closed seven of its ten facilities in Ontario Canada in the last five years?

If scientologist is "expanding" then why can the Co$ in Canada barely round up 350 men women, and children attendees at a major event in the heart of Canada's most populous MegaCity ? (8 millions within a 4 hour drive of Toronto.)

If Scientology is so useful and so important then why do the Orgs lie to enquiries about Xenu and then expect people to pay Hundreds of Thousands of dollars to discover they have been lied to in the first place?

Why do paid OSA operatives continue to post such easily discernable distortions and outright lies about the *actual* functioning of the Co$ and especially about Hubbards life, personality and accomplishments?

Do you think it ethical for OSA operatives to ignore a No Trespassing Demand on the Co$ and enter the property of my old and infirm parents in order to harass them about my lawful, peaceful, factual information campaign about Scientology Management Practices and Policies?

Looking forward to your succinct and straightforward answers.

Gregg Hagglund SP7

Toronto and Canadian National Picket Reports now at: <http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8412/toronto/index.html>

"It's interesting that Scientologists cannot seem to differentiate between: ----individuals: picketing an organization to voice their opinion on its behavior, and -----an organization: picketing individuals for voicing their opinion." -M.C.Pietra

"Give'em hell son." the late M.G.Hagglund,

These questions remain unanswered comprehensively by any Scientologist. Some have answered one or two, but none have substantially addressed this post.

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First: History questions:

Do you understand Co$ members from the Guardians Office were convicted of crimes in the US and Canada?

Do you understand the Co$ itself was Criminally Convicted as a Corporation for the Breach of the Public Trust in Canada?

Do you understand the Co$ was banned recently in Greece for the very same unethical and often illegal practices it did in the 50s, 60, 70, and 80s in Canada, the US and other countries?

Do you understand DEPT 20, the Guardians Office is now called DEPT 20: The Office of Special Affairs?

Do you understand the OSA operates under the same guidelines and has the same objectives as the GO?

Do you understand many of those Co$ members convicted of crimes are still on lines or on staff?

Do you understand Hubbard himself was named as an unindicted co-conspirator to the anti-democratic crimes of his wife and confidant MarySue?

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As an apparent dedicated Scientologist perhaps you might consider answering some basic questions.

Section 1: A Test of Faith. - Honesty

[ A 'Yes' to the following demonstrates an absolute loyalty to Hubbard. This is called unshakeable Faith. Do you have what it takes?]

Do you belie

desertphile gave this response on 4/26/2000:

Hi. You asked far too many questions to be answered in one easy lump. Perhaps if you asked them as individual questions?

You ask: "Do you understand Co$ members from the Guardians Office were convicted of crimes in the US and Canada?" The answer is No, the majority of Scientologists have no knowledge of those crimes.

You ask: "Do you understand the Co$ itself was Criminally Convicted as a Corporation for the Breach of the Public Trust in Canada?" The answer is No, the majority of Scientologists have no knowledge of those crimes.

You ask: "Do you understand the Co$ was banned recently in Greece for the very same unethical and often illegal practices it did in the 50s, 60, 70, and 80s in Canada, the US and other countries?" The answer is No, the majority of Scientologists have no knowledge of those crimes. They see the criminal prosecution and the banning as "religious descrimination."

You ask: "Do you understand DEPT 20, the Guardians Office is now called DEPT 20: The Office of Special Affairs?" Few Scientologists know this is true.

You ask: "Do you understand the OSA operates under the same guidelines and has the same objectives as the GO?" The answer is No, most Scientologists have not had that cognition.

You ask: "Do you understand many of those Co$ members convicted of crimes are still on lines or on staff?" The answer is No, they have been told that the criminals who were caught have been "expelled" from the Church, even though at least two of them are not only still in the Church, but running Orgs.

You ask: "Do you understand Hubbard himself was named as an unindicted co-conspirator to the anti-democratic crimes of his wife and confidant MarySue?" The answer is No, most Scientologists have no knowledge of that fact.

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You ask: "Please list for us all the Hospitals, Hospices, Soup Kitchens,Shelters for the abused and homeless, foodbanks, and other charities the Co$ supported with some significant fraction of its financial resources." The answer is that charity is considered wrong by the Church as it "rewards" the "inabled."

You ask: "How many last wishes of terminally ill children did the Co$ facilitate in being realised?" The answer is Zero.

You ask: "Did the Co$ spend as much last year on feeding and clothing starving children in any part of the world as DM spent on having a private golf course built in Hemet?" The answer is: that would be contrary to Church Scripture and policy.

You ask: "Does the Co$, with its millions,spend *any* significant percentage of its income on public charitable works? Or do they spend greater than 95% on the care, promotion and maintenance of the Product?" The answer is, The latter. The Church boasts of spending over one million US dollars per week on harassing its critics through the United States Justice System (i.e., lawyers).

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You ask: "If the Co$ is expanding then why has it closed seven of its ten facilities in Ontario Canada in the last five years?" Membership has been declining since the mid-1970s, and is showing every sign of doing so.

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You ask: "If Scientology is so useful and so important then why do the Orgs lie to enquiries about Xenu and then expect people to pay Hundreds of Thousands of dollars to discover they have been lied to in the first place?" Because if Raw Meat were to know what they are paying before they pay for it, they wouldn't buy it in the first place. Would YOU?!

You ask: "Why do paid OSA operatives continue to post such easily discernable distortions and outright lies about the *actual* functioning of the Co$ and especially about Hubbards life, personality and accomplishments?" The answer is: Public Relations. Remember that the vast majority of Scientologists have no idea that what critics say is true and what the Church says is false.

You ask: "Do you think it ethical for OSA operatives to ignore a No Trespassing Demand on the Co$ and enter the property of my old and infirm parents in order to harass them about my lawful, peaceful, factual information campaign about Scientology Management Practices and Policies?" The answer is: the Church of Scientology will do any thing to silence its critics. That includes criminal activity.

The reason they targeted your parents is ebcause that is what the Church of Scientology calls "Your Protect Button." The OSA looked to see what it is you care about and protect, and then attack it.

Didn't work, did it? That's because the Church has not understood the fact that attacking innocent, peacefull, well-informed critics who are merely stating the truth and vocing their opinions will only make those critics LOUDER in telling the truth about the Church of Scientology.

It is very unfortunate that the membership of the Church of Scientology does not as a whole loudly demand reform of the criminal and gross human rights abuses caused by their Church. The sad fact is that they just DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM. It's a damn shame.

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